Women of the Wall: A Possible Solution To Endless Fighting

Women of the Wall: A Possible Solution To Endless Fighting


Two children, a brother and sister, are fighting: calling each other names, bringing each other to tears. Their father stays out of it at first. He’s hoping his kids will work things out on their own, but they don’t. The bickering escalates until the father finally throws them into a time-out. He wants his children to think about what they’ve done. He wants them to find a way to get along as they suffer through the punishment together.

The siblings are miserable as they watch the other kids playing outside on such a bright, beautiful day. Their room is sweltering, and they’re getting hungry. But they continue to fight and occasionally call out to their father, begging him to let them go. Finally, the father notices that the room is quiet, so he goes upstairs to check in, hoping that his children finally figured out how to get past their differences. But just as he opens the door, the son and daughter start fighting all over again, this time over a toy. Who had it first, how it should be used, whose fault it is that they’re fighting again. The father is crushed as he realizes that his children have learned absolutely nothing. All that time and pain and they learned absolutely nothing.

THIS sums up Jewish history for the last two millennia leading up to the current controversy over the Women of the Wall. Two thousand years ago, our people were put into a “time-out” for bad behavior. We were thrown out of the land of Israel, our Temple destroyed. We were scattered to every corner of the earth as we sat out our punishment. What was our crime? Baseless hatred towards our fellow Jew, our “brother.” For two thousand years, through expulsions, pogroms, Inquisitions, the Holocaust, Soviet Russia, our people cried out to the Almighty for a chance to come home.

And then something miraculous happened: forty-six years ago last week (on Yom Yerushalayim) our prayers were answered. On June 5, 1967, the Jewish people gained back sovereignty over Jerusalem for the first time in two thousand years and were suddenly free to stand and pray and weep only steps from the Holy of Holies. Our people could finally return to the site of the chorban (the destruction of the Holy Temple) that landed us into our long and bitter exile. And Jews from all over the planet ingathered in what seemed like age old prophecies being fulfilled. It wasn’t geula (the redemption), but it certainly felt like a beginning of a redemption. Our Father had “opened the door.” He wanted to see if we had learned our lesson. Would we finally treat one another with proper respect?

If there’s ANY place in the world that should remind us of how we ought to behave towards one another, the Western Wall should be THE place. Gazing upon the destruction should immediately remind us of why we’re still in galus (exile). Yet the site of the destruction is where we’ve seen some of the nastiest displays of baseless hatred in quite some time. What took place last week, the DAY after Yom Yerushalayim, at the Western wall was inexcusable and the whole world sat back and watched Jew fighting Jew.

I’d like to speak to people on both sides, to try to find a common ground, because God knows we need to find it. I will start by saying that I believe that on both sides there are sincere people and on both sides there are people acting for the wrong reasons, so I’ll speak only about the sincere. To the traditionalists – to the ones who can’t imagine any prayer happening at the Western Wall that in any way deviates from Jewish law or tradition – I will say this: I believe that what motivates the sincere among the Women of the Wall is the pursuit of kavod habriyos – making sure that every human being is treated with dignity and respect. Now of course those in favor of traditional prayer don’t believe that their method of praying is undignified to women. This group believes that men and women simply have different spiritual needs. So the two sides can agree to disagree on how to carry out the value of kavod habriyos, but the traditionalists should appreciate that their opponents are clinging to a value which they respect.

To the progressives who want a more liberal, egalitarian type of prayer, I will say this about the sincere ones fighting to only allow traditional prayer: for all the anti-Semites over the last three thousand years who have tried to destroy us, whether it was Pharaoh making us work on Shabbos, King Antiochus outlawing bris milah, or the KGB making Jewish observance punishable by death, for all our enemies who wanted to rip our Torah away from us and for all our ancestors who were willing to give up their lives in order to hold on to it, the traditionalists believe that this is part of that same fight. Of course the progressives don’t agree – these changes only enhance Judaism, they don’t destroy it – so they’ll have to agree to disagree as to what constitutes the Torah being uprooted, but the progressives should be able to appreciate the value that the sincere traditionalists are clinging to of not losing our Torah after we’ve fought for so long to hold on to it.

Even if we can appreciate the other side’s motivations a bit more, there’s still the practical matter of how that wall will be used. I am fearful that no solution will ever make everyone happy. The Women of the Wall (and their many supporters in the Diaspora) have protested for twenty-five years as the traditionalists held their ground, but now that the law has changed and the Women of the Wall will be able to pray as they want to, I believe the other side will now be the ones protesting and not letting go.

And so I’d like to suggest a solution that everyone will hate, because at least everyone can all being unified in their hatred of my suggestion. I believe that the answer can be found with that brother and sister who are fighting over the toy. If two kids fought over the same toy, wouldn’t the best response be to take the toy away to salvage the relationship?

The Kotel has become a battle ground, it is bringing out the worst in us. It is no longer a protective wall that surrounds the Temple, it now feels more like a BARRIER that will prevent us from rebuilding the Temple. There is no special commandment to pray “at” the wall. But there is a commandment to pursue peace and love your neighbor as yourself. Perhaps we were given the wall back as a test, to see if we’d tear each other down for a piece of it, or find a way to get along.

There is a debate as to whether there is kedusha in those stones, but everyone agrees that there is kedusha in every Jew, yet we are TRAMPLING one another to claim a piece of that wall. What if we cared more about being kind than being right? What if we all just agreed to back off from the wall and only use it for personal prayer? What if we agreed that it’s not worth the fighting and the anger? What if every time we saw those stones we felt a loss and were reminded that we’ll remain in a state of destruction until we love one another more than we hate opinions that differ from ours?

What if…



  1. lol

    If this is what you consider a solution.

    • As I said – everyone will hate it, but I’m trying to think outside the box. My fear is that we are a “stiff necked people” and neither side will ever back down.

  2. Allison,

    No one should be allowed to daven at the Kosel with talis and tefilin?? You are proposing to end a 2,000 year old Jewish tradition!

    Also, you shouldn’t be putting these two “sides” on an equal pedastal or viewing them as both having some good points any more than you should be doing that between Orthodoxy and Reform.

    • WAIT – I didn’t say people should stop davening with tallisim and tefillin ALL TOGETHER, I said that we should find other places for formal minyanim because this spot is causing too much strife in Klal Yisrael. BIG difference. The Kotel was never meant to be a place to daven at – it’s a retaining wall that Herrod built for the Second Temple. We’re not chayav in davening at that exact spot but we’re chayav in being rodef shalom.

      My purpose for trying to explain the motivation of the sincere EACH side is not to say who’s more right than the other side. I come from a Conservative background so I know how I saw the world then. I was a good person with good motivations. I then became frum and now see the world quite differently. But I am trying to show each side that there are values we can each appreciate from the other side even if we disagree on how the values are being applied.

      Do you know when Jews agree, Joe? When Nazis are rounding us up! Why can’t we try to find common ground BEFORE anti-Semites unify us?

  3. Menachem Lipkin : May 27, 2013 at 5:30 pm

    Exactly Joe, and since you can’t know a person’s intentions you can’t know if it’s “heresy”. Besides, he makes it clear, m’ikir Hadin, it’s permitted. Your original statement was misleading at best, completely false at worst. And again, this is Rav Moshe speaking more than 30 years ago.

  4. Allison: Jews have been davening at the Kosel with talis and tefilin for 2,000 years. What you are proposing is to end that.

    Menachem: Rav Moshe determined, as he stated in the psak, what their intentions are. Furthermore, regarding tefilin he said it is outright assur.

    • Joe – I’m not saying that I love my suggestion – I noted that everyone would hate it! I don’t know the history of the Kotel – I know Jews had access to it for some time and loss access to it for some time. What happened in the Jewish world in the recentish past, though, is that some women wanted to also daven with tallisim and tefillin. If you’ve noticed, they’re not so keen on stopping just because of what Rav Moshe or other rabbis have said.

      So what is the solution? How do you think the situation can be resolved? I don’t see either side ever backing down: the progressives will keep wanting to daven as they want to, the traditionalists will keep insisting that these women not daven this way. Neither side backs down. What kind of future is that?

      We’re not chayav in davening at that spot. In fact, we’re specifically STUCK davening and ONLY davening at that spot because we haven’t stopped practicing sinas chinam. The purpose of my plan is that we take steps towards ahavas Yisael so we NEVER have to daven at the wall and instead are zocheh for a bayis shlishi.

  5. Well, we’ll have to agree to disagree (very much so.) Nevertheless, do you realize that your suggestion has no likelihood of coming to fruition? The frum people will never agree to stop davening at the Kosel. Not in a million years. And davening entails wearing a talis and tefilin. (For the men folk.)

    The Reform, too, constantly accuse of “sinas chinom” for disputing their legitimacy and a whole host of other reasons.

    • I agree that this plan will likely never happen.

      But how do you see this all ending in a way that brings moshiach? The current trajectory is feeling very hopeless to me which is why I’m trying come up with a new solution.

  6. Allison,

    The frum folks reaction to these WoW is l’shem shamayim, a kiddush Hashem and the Torah way. If people come to change Judaism, we have an *obligation* to protest. Now the less than a handful of bored adolescents that threw some water (or whatever it was) at the WoW were wrong and made a chillul. But the media overplayed that almost non-existent little misbehavior by less than a handful of kiddies and falsely described it as a frum riot. The media always lies as such. Nevertheless, the media lies notwithstanding, we cannot change from doing the right thing — and this *was* the right approach — due to media lies or some children who follow no Rov.

    • thanks for your comment, Joe. first off – egalitarian prayer has been around for a while, so this is nothing new. it’s not like WoW invented it. there is an obligation to fight with an apikoris. but as a former Conservative Jew who strongly believed in egalitarian prayer and thought the Orthodox were all evil I can tell you that I was FAR from an apikoris. an apikoris has to know a LOT and then reject it. my opinions were based on very little experiential or textual knowledge. that is the state of most Jews in the world today.

      so how do you approach people like my former self? by reaching out and trying to making Torah something they’d want to explore further. that is one of the goals of JITC. put it out in an approachable, relevant manner and give people with less background a chance to explore it for themselves. and then way, they can make their Jewish decisions based on knowledge and not stereotypes.

  7. Menachem Lipkin : May 28, 2013 at 1:46 am

    Allison. You have to stand up to the bullies. That’s what we did here in Bet Shemesh and it worked. It wasn’t pleasant or easy. Just as at the Kotel, there are still people who are bothered by the way our women dress. Normal people should be able to tolerate being “bothered” while going about their business. Remove the violent behavior and you’ll solve the problem. Reinforce the fanatics and you’ll only make it worse.

  8. Menachem Lipkin : May 28, 2013 at 1:49 am

    Joe, WADR to Rav Moshe he was not a Navi and had no ability to see into people’s minds. And like I said, it’s 30 years later, you have serious women doing serious learning and making serious advances in all areas of society. So yes, there are women who are quite serious and L’Shma about doing these mitzvot. (That fact that there are some with other motivations is completely irrelevant.)

  9. You’ve completely lost it. I can’t tell if you’re trying to be politically correct to keep up group unity, or because you actually believe this stuff.

    1) the “Progressives” do believe in egalitarian prayer. And they do believe in us Orthodox people eventually praying in an egalitarian format. But what they do NOT believe in is forcing us Orthodox people to pray in that format. Everything you’re saying to EVERY member of WoW, for example, I’m sure they would agree with – the value we place on traditional modes of worship, what it means to us, etc. That is IN NO WAY INCONSISTENT with wanting to hold egalitarian services at the Kotel.

    2) The Haredim are using violence. That’s really the only relevant story. WoW and all their supporters, etc have not touched another human being violently. I fail to see how you can draw any sort of equivalence here, even if we pretend that WoW are forcing Haredim to participate in their weird egalitarian Torah readings.

    I’m sure it feels like you’re taking the high road by seeing the “merit” in the positions of both sides. But I’m not impressed. There is no justification for preventing egalitarian Jews from praying how they want to. My theory is that the reason the Haredim are freaking out this way is because they know what WoW knows – the more Haredi women see it happen, the more logical it will seem to them. But that’s hardly a good reason to prevent people from praying, much less physically attacking them.

    • Thanks for your comment, Jon. I disagree that I’ve completely lost it. If you read through the comments, you’ll notice that people on the traditional side and people on the progressive side are both completely convinced of their side’s rightness. You on earth do you move forward when neither side wants to budge?

      I never said the progressives believe in forcing the Orthodox to pray like them – you’re putting words in my mouth! In terms of the Haredim using violence – let’s just make one thing clear – this was a VERY small group out of thousands who used violence and I’ve seen many many traditionalists condemn the people who used violence, so it’s not fair to generalize.

      The reason I tried to explain the motivations of the sincere people the other side is that I want our people to stop viewing the other side as “evil” and “the enemy.” If we aren’t able to see the good – even if we disagree – with our fellow Jews what kind of future as a nation do we possibly have?!!

  10. Just FYI, Allison, I am an observant, Jewish woman, and I think your solution is absolutely perfect. So not everyone will hate it. Just had to let you know that. You’re brilliant. I only wish everyone could see that.

  11. Allison,

    There’s a possible problem with your solution. What if WoW show up at the Kotel for collective, individual prayer donning a tallitot k’tanot. What would you then say? Men should also be barred from talit katan there?

    • LOL. I hadn’t considered that one! BUT tzitzis are worn under clothing and are more discreet and haven’t been fought over yet so hopefully fighting over them won’t begin!

  12. David Hoffman : May 29, 2013 at 2:31 am


    I appreciate that your proposal, and this post, are the result of much thought and concern. But the parable with which you begin reflects reality in a very distorted manner, and from this many other problems flow. Allow me to offer a better version.

    A father has a somewhat larger family, let’s say six boys and six girls. Exasperated with their misbehaviour and squabbling, he shuts them up in a bedroom and gives them three “activity workbooks” to complete, a task which is intended to be both educational and fun. When all three workbooks are successfully completed, he says, they will be released from the room, and taken out for ice cream as a reward. How they divide up the task, and how long it takes, are entirely up to them. After a tedious preliminary fight which never really gets resolved, the children agree to divide into three groups of two boys and two girls, one group for each book. The first team “does” a few pages of its book, mostly with no regard to the instructions, gets bored, and drifts off into playing video games. The second group puts a bit more effort into the task, but change the the instructions when they seem too hard, and insist that exactly half of each individual page be done by the boys and half by the girls, “otherwise it’s not fair.” The third group works dilligantly and tries to follow the directions. Their biggest faults are a tendency to bicker over *exactly* what a direction means and being overly perfectionist (as in, “Hey, you’re pencil mark is one millimeter over the line! Now you have to erase it all and redo it!”) When a page says, “For boys only,” or “For girls only,” they respect this. Otherwise, they try to give everyone a turn. Then two girls from the first two groups come over. They demand to do part of a page with the colors they used in their groups, make clear that they’d really like to take the whole book, and generally make themselves thoroughly obnoxious. In the midst of all this, the father comes in to check up. Obviously he won’t be happy, but do you really think he will find all equally to blame. And, getting back to your proposal, do you really think that saying “Well the directions don’t say you *have* to use colors on the Kotel page, so let’s all do that one just in pencil,” is going to solve anything.

  13. Jack Abramowitz : May 29, 2013 at 9:22 am

    Since there’s not a snowball’s chance of this proposal happening, any discussion of its details are purely academic. Nevertheless, here goes!

    Invariably, both men and women would continue to show up in tallis & tefillin, and to form minyanim. Traditionalist men would view your proposal as a means to uproot Torah by banning such things and progressive women would see it as a means to block their progress. This would then require us to ignore the infractions (rendering the ban moot) or to arrest the offenders (which would increase the sinas chinam and chillul Hashem). So what have we gained?

    In other words, as good as it looks on paper, I don’t think it would be adhered to in the real world. It would likely only exacerbate the situation by making a two-way fight into a three-way fight!

    • thanks for your comment, Jack. i agree that this plan would likely never happen. i wrote it more to ask each side to look at itself, so notice how we’re treating our fellow Jew, to notice that there’s no mitzvah to pray AT that spot but there’s a mitzvah to pursue peace.

      we are certainly allowed to disagree with one another, but there’s too much vilifying going on. it’s gone beyond disagreeing about substance and has become ad-hominem in many cases.

      it seems the only way we Jews can get along is if we’re being chased by an outside enemy. my dream is that we can find some common ground BEFORE that happens.

  14. I admit, I haven’t read each and every comment above. But based on the JITC analogy of fighting over toys, there is one key factor she missed. That WOW doesn’t only want the toy temporarily, but they want to make it their own and change all the other toys. WOW makes no bones about the fact that they not only want the right to pray, but also want to “liberate” the wall and do away with the mechitzah. The latter two clearly being unacceptable. They are funded via NGO’s (through sales on their website) that have also supported pro-Palestinian groups. So all in all, this is a very sorry situation.

    • Thanks for your comment, Charnie. A WoW supporter actually improved on my analogy. She said two kids are fighting and one is afraid the other kid is going to break the toy with how he’s using it. I told her that’s the exact fear the traditionalists have of the WoW. If nobody gets the wall, then there’s no idea of “liberating it” or “removing the mechitzah.” If it’s not a space for public prayer then these issues are not relevant. Could there be other things traditionalist and WoW supporters would disagree on concerning things beyond the Kotel? Quite likely, but if no one is praying there then no one can force their ways on another.

  15. Hannah @A Mother in Israel : May 30, 2013 at 4:54 am

    Your solution, which I saw somewhere else a few weeks ago–will have to look for the link–is giving in to the bullies, as Michael has suggested.
    There have been threats against Egged for displaying ads on buses with pictures of women. And a threat to sue Egged for not showing such pictures. Egged responded by not allowing ads with pictures of people, whether men or women. And voila, no discrimination! It is quite easy to see through this ruse. Taking away people’s rights to daven in a group at the kotel, in order to prevent a group of women from doing so and subsequent attacks against them, is just as discriminatory.
    The analogy of taking away toys is paternalistic and has no place in public discourse. The protest against WOW, and your solution, are attempts to exclude women from public space because they aren’t behaving in the way some people think they should. The way WOW dress or pray does not take away from the experience of others at the kotel in the slightest.
    It also doesn’t matter what some people think WOW’s “agenda” might be. As long as the women are praying, and not holding signs or shouting slogans, they should be ignored. If they make provocative statements to the press, if they want to make offensive changes to the status quo, make counter-statements. But don’t prevent them from praying, because it looks ridiculous and mean to any outsider. And it is.
    Hannah Katsman

    • Thanks for your comment, Hannah. I’m not suggesting that the toy be “taken away” – I’m suggesting that the brother and sister take a careful look at themselves and decide together that for the sake of their relationship, they’ll BOTH let go of the toy and move on to other things.

      I think everyone – across the spectrum – is against the hoodlums who used violence and physical means against the women of the wall. There are other people, though, who find it painful to see halacha and or mesorah not being upheld at such a holy spot. I don’t consider those people bullies. I think they have a right to have such sensitivities.

      I see the Egged thing differently because having a women’s face shown is NOT against halacha or mesorah. It’s just a stringency some communities have taken on and it’s really outside of mesorah.

      The reason I suggest everyone taking a step back it letting go of the wall is because I don’t see either side ever backing down and it seems like such a shame that we’ve gotten this close yet we’re still so far away!

  16. Judith Gelman : May 30, 2013 at 9:13 am

    Your answer is that men not read Torah or daven in minyanim either? That there be no bnai mitzvah, not aufrufs, no Kaddish said, no tour groups. Great idea. Now why not also give it back to Jordan?

    • Thanks for your comment, Judith. I told you people would hate the idea! Do you see the unity this suggestion has caused? Staunch traditionalists AND progressives are all rallying against it! 😉

      So there would certainly be a loss to not have formal prayer BUT, we don’t want to actually be praying at the spot. We want a Bayis shlishi. I suggest we all let go of our goal to pray at the hope in hopes of creating enough unity and good will that we merit a Bayis Shlishi.

  17. You know what, you’re spot on. Tzedek tzedek tirdof. If we are fighting and bickering the way we have been, are we pursuing justice and using the values that Torah taught us? Your solution is fair. it does not oust any group. I would like to see all Jews treat each other with fairness and respect. A jew, is a jew, is a jew, regardless of level of belief, this is ours as a collective whole. We need to share and remember our history instead of trying to control it.

  18. this is an amazing artivle. on both sides the secular and frum have made mistakes. the question is are we willing to try to rectify them?

  19. very interesting. Thank you for posting…

  20. Bad analogy. A better analogy is one child insisting on dragging doo doo through the living room provoking his sibling to protest because dragging doo doo through the living room will make Daddy really really angry. According to this article, both children should be banned from walking on the carpet when one purposefully makes a mess of it and the other clearly raises a ruckus in protest of said mess.

    • Allison Josephs Allison Josephs : November 21, 2014 at 10:26 am

      Thanks for your comment, Leah, but I think it’s important to try to get into the mind of “the other side.” I used to be there. I thought that mechiztas were a violation of human rights. It was an attack on kavod habrios. I’m not saying either side needs to agree with the other but I think trying to see how things look from another person’s place will do wonders in helping us come together as a people. Something which is so crucial right now.

  21. Reb Mordechai : February 4, 2016 at 2:52 am

    I live in Jerusalem and I know some of these women. This is my analogy.
    After many years of legal disputes, a Jewish family is allowed back into their ancestral family mansion. Only a few family members return at first but they take delight in once again, eating their kosher meals for Shabbos, Yom Tov and all other simchas, at the very same dining room table in the ancestral dining room. They feel a great spiritual connection to all previous generations of the family who ate their mitzvah meals at the very same table in the very same dining room.
    Then a woman also from the same family turns up and is welcomed home into her family. The problem comes when she sits down at the dining room table. She does not wish to partake of the kosher food that everyone else is eating. She proceeds to take out her treif food and not only eats it at the table but tries as hard as she can to mix her food with everyone else’s.
    Rightly or wrongly, some members of the family are outraged and start screaming at her to leave. One even physically pushes her trying to force her to leave the table. Others defend her against this attack which at the same time, not agreeing with her.
    When asked, the woman says that she is also a part of the family and has just as much right as any other family member to sit at the ancestral dining room table in the ancestral dining room and eat anything and anyway she likes!
    A compromise is suggested. They bring in a small table from the kitchen and allow her to sit in the dining room and eat her treif meal and the rest of the family can eat their kosher meal at the dining room table. Everyone gets to sit in the ancestral dining room and she gets to eat her meal anyway she likes! Problem solved right?
    Wrong! She says that sitting at this small table is demeaning! It is not only about the dining room, its also about the dining room table, she says She won’t sit on this small table. She insists on once again bringing her food and sitting down with the rest of her family spreading her treif food in everyone elses food.
    A compromise is suggested. The dining room table is split up so that she gets the bottom half and the rest of the family has to squash up at the head of the table. with a tablecloth seperating them. Problem solved right?
    Wrong! She says that she insists on taking the top part of the dining room table. She leaves her side of the table and attempts to squash in with her treif food.
    So this is where we stand today.
    My suggestion is that as a member of the family who wishes to eat kosher food, I (and I am sure everyone else) would be willing to abandon the ancestral dining room table and squash up at the kitchen table which was placed in the dining room for this woman. She can get the whole dining room table for herself and we get the small kitchen table. We’ll have to take turns sitting down but at least we all get to eat in the same dining room! Problem solved right?
    Wrong! You know what will happen? She will abandon the dining room table which she never really cared for anyway and proceed to try and squeeze onto the small kitchen table .
    To anyone watching this, one has to question what her real agenda is? Does she really want the right to eat her treif food at the dining room table in the dining room? Perhaps all along her agenda was that everyone sit togather at the table as a single family! The problem is that she will insist on eating her treif food which will destroy any possibility of a kosher family mitzvah meal for everyone else – all in the name of unity.

    This is the actual truth of the matter. The only question is whether she actually realises the destructive affect of her actions upon the rest of the family or whether this in fact was her agenda all along? This I cannot tell you.

    • Allison Josephs Allison Josephs : February 4, 2016 at 8:14 am

      Thanks for your comment, Reb Mordechai. The problem with your analogy is that the other side is convinced that the kosher side is keeping out the treif side because she’s a woman and you are a misogynist. You put women behind walls, don’t give them a turn in your minyanim. Clearly (to them) you are a misogynist. What I think is actually true is that both sides have sincere people and both sides have agenda-driven people and there is no mitzvah to eat at that table but there is a mitzvah to be rodef shalom. So we stop having meals where we fight for the sake of peace.

      • Reb Mordechai : February 4, 2016 at 4:51 pm

        Misogynist? Oh dear dear me. You have misunderstood my analogy probably because you don’t really understand the issue at all. I am a man and I davan obviously in the men’s section. The WotW usually don’t disturb my davening that much at all. It’s the overwhelming majority of the poor Orthodox women in the women’s section who they disturb and stop from davenin! These tzadeikos who travel on the No.1 and 3 bus every day in the early hours of the morning in order to get to the Kosel. These women are the foundation of our Torah world. It is these women who have to suffer. Let me spell it out to you. In my analogy, the family sitting at the table are all women!

        • Allison Josephs Allison Josephs : February 4, 2016 at 4:59 pm

          Before I was frum, I was sure all Orthodox men were misogynists. Which is why you kept women behind mechitzas and didn’t count them in minyanim. So there is a break down in understanding and it’s causing division.

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